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ThomasL 05-05-2008 08:32 PM

Locations: again :)
 
A few months ago (and not only then) I started a discussion about the problem of the many wrong locations. I read some other discussions about this and it seems like everyone can help to (partially) solve this problem. So I suggest to post the corrections (of a whole state) to be made on the forum, so that we can help the location administrators.

I'm working on the states of Peru (but I haven't got much time last weeks), so I post here the corrections to be made in the state of Amazonas, Peru.

Earth >> South America >> Peru >> North >> Amazonas :
- Move pictures from unexistent locations ‘Along the Amazon River’ and ‘near Iquitos’ to ‘Unknown’
- Change unexistent location ‘Belin’ into ‘Belén’
- Move pictures from wrong location ‘Inquitos’ to ‘Iquitos’
- Move pictures from wrong location ‘Manu’ to the province of ‘Manu’ in the state of ‘Madre de Dios’
- Move location ‘Puerto Maldonado’ to the state of ‘Madre de Dios’
- Move pictures from unexistent location ‘Tabaconas – Namballe Sanctuary’ to the province of ‘San Ignacio’ in the state of ‘Cajamarca’
- Change unexistent location ‘Kuelap Chachapoyas’ into ‘Chachapoyas’

I hope some of you will collaborate to this little 'project' :)

Greetings and have a nice week,
ThomasL

ThomasL 05-05-2008 09:32 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
Here's the next peruvian state: Ancash.

Earth >> South America >> Peru >> North >> Ancash :
- Change ‘casma’ into ‘Casma’ (with a capital)
- Move pictures from unexistent location ‘Chavin’ (referring to ‘Chavín de Huantar’, an archeological site) to new location ‘Huari’
- ‘Conococha’ is the name of a lagoon situated between ‘Callejón de Huaylas’ and ‘Chiquián’, so maybe move it to ‘Unknown’ is the best solution
- ‘Cordillera Blanca’ and ‘Cordillera Huayhuash’ both are names of mountain ranges, so…
- Move pictures from unexistent location ‘Huahuash’ and location ‘Huayhuash’ to ‘Cordillera Huayhuash’ or ‘Unknown’
- Move pictures from unexistent location ‘Huraz (Piccup)’ to ‘Huaraz’
- Move pictures from ‘Inconnu’ to ‘Unknown’
- ‘Ishinka’ is the name of a mountain in the Andes, situated near Huaraz, so maybe move it to location ‘Huaraz’?
- ‘Laguna Jahuacocha’ is the name of a lagoon and ‘Pisco’ is the name of a mountain here. Pictures should be moved to ‘Huaraz’
- Change wrong location ‘Samanco Bay’ into ‘Samanco’


ThomasL

Loic_bzh 05-06-2008 01:22 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
Hi Thomas,

I did the same with Martinique ( http://fr.trekearth.com/read.php?f=1&t=604531&m=834141&tt=flat ), spending a lot of time. Few days after all was OK (thanx to Vivianne) someone posted 3 picts with stupid location again...

This will have no end while everything can be written in the location field. WE NEED CLOSED LIST, once for all. I think those lists of every city or district for all the countries can easily be found... But I really think we're talking for nothing, once more... :(

Keitht 05-06-2008 01:28 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
The problem with multiple spellings for locations, missing locations etc has been raised many times but, as you say, never seems to have been addressed from the centre. I had hoped that new ownership would improve that part of the site for the better, it seems not!

ThomasL 05-06-2008 08:47 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
Thanks for the replies!

Yes, I know it's not the first time we're talking about this problem... You're right when you say that this will have no end, but as the admins aren't doing anything about this, I thought every bits could help :)

But I agree with you, a CLOSED LIST is a must have if we want to get rid of this problem. It's sad that so many people don't care about it and just spell names their own way, or invent something like 'on the way to ...'. I really hope the admins will do something about it. As you say, it's NOT difficult to make those lists, and it will leave all problems away. For people who don't know where their picture was taken, they still have the 'Unknown' option!

So let's cross fingers and hope this time someone will take care of it! ;) I know it's not the only problem here, but IMHO it's one of the most important ones...

Greetings,
Thomas

ktanska 05-07-2008 07:28 AM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
Finding such lists may be more difficult than you think.
At least for Finland I only found municipalities listed by province in Finnish Wikipedia pages, not on English ones.

ThomasL 05-10-2008 05:35 PM

Re: Locations: again :)
 
Hi again,

I recently became location moderator, which means I can make changes in the locations where needed. Feel free to let me know wrong placed or wrong spelled locations so that I can fix them.

Greetings from Belgium,
ThomasL

@ ktanska: Yes I know it's not always as easy to find them, but I'm sure there's a book or site which offers an almost complete list of the cities.

woozbman 05-10-2008 06:31 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
Yes, that is true. Not to mention the fact that TE supports multiple languages, and the names are mostly different in every language. One possible source is <a href="http://www.unece.org/cefact/locode/service/main.htm">http://www.unece.org/cefact/locode/service/main.htm</a>. Click on the "more...." link for "Location Code list". I don't know how complete the list is, and I think it's only in English.

There might also be a list somewhere in <a href="http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/default.htm">http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/default.htm</a>, but I haven't found it yet.

woozbman 05-10-2008 06:44 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
By the way, the Location Code list shows the city or municipality. Subdivision Codes are the provinces or states. There's also a Download link.

Note that the primary purpose for these lists are for trade and transportation, so not all [small] towns might be listed.

Hope this helps.

ktanska 05-12-2008 07:26 AM

Re: Locations: Gibraltar
 
Ok, here's one location I was wondering recently.

Correct: United Kingdom >> Other >> Gibraltar >> Gibraltar
Merge all other 'cities' under United Kingdom >> Other >> Gibraltar to it, as
in all fairness there is only one town over there.

Also Spain >> Andalucia >> Cadiz >> Gibraltar and
Germany >> West >> Bayern >> Gibraltar should be
United Kingdom >> Other >> Gibraltar >> Gibraltar

ThomasL 05-12-2008 11:30 AM

Re: Locations: Gibraltar
 
Hi Kari,

Thanks for letting me know. BTW, I just learned that Gibraltar isn't Spanish but is British territory!

I changed the locations in the United Kingdom into three 'places':
- Gibraltar (the city)
- Rock of Gibraltar
- Bay of Gibraltar

I'm wondering if I should merge them all, as you said. I would do it too (as rock and bay of gibraltar aren't cities), but I will ask Adam to be sure. In other countries as well some places aren't cities, but are left like that because you can't really merge them with cities (for example the Cordillera Blanca in Peru, or Yosemite National Park in California, USA)

Unfortunately, I'm not able to move cities from one country to another, so I will also ask Adam to do this.

Greetings,
ThomasL

Davids 05-12-2008 12:55 PM

Re: Next peruvian state: Ancash
 
Actually the admins ARE doing something about it . . . . I made a proposal to clean up part of Latvia, and it was done :) . . . I guess the problem is that they are short of hands . . . what I understand is that there was an idea to make a page where you could report a problem . . . but that was already some time ago. . . .

ThomasL 05-18-2008 01:32 PM

Re: Locations: Gibraltar
 
Correct: United Kingdom >> Other >> Gibraltar >> Gibraltar
Merge all other 'cities' under United Kingdom >> Other >> Gibraltar to it, as
in all fairness there is only one town over there.

Also Spain >> Andalucia >> Cadiz >> Gibraltar and
Germany >> West >> Bayern >> Gibraltar should be
United Kingdom >> Other >> Gibraltar >> Gibraltar


OK the changes have been made ;) Thanks for letting me know!

mathiasmag 05-18-2008 03:38 PM

Re: Locations: again :)
 
Thomas,

I sent in an email about the lack of a grand canyon in Colorado. There are pictures categorized as GC, CO. Grand Canyon is large if not massive, but it does not reach all the way to Colorado.

Why not have a function that lets users report incorrect categorizations. That would make many users correct their own mistakes and it would help you find imagesthat someone thinks are incorrectly categorized.

It would also be good to have multiple categorizations, such as allowing a picture to be from GC in a national park at the same time as it is in GC, AZ. I know it is not for you to make those changes, but you may have more to say about such things than the average user.

Mathias

ThomasL 05-19-2008 09:03 AM

Re: Locations: again :)
 
Hi Mathias,

"There are pictures categorized as GC, CO. Grand Canyon is large if not massive, but it does not reach all the way to Colorado."

Probably people are confused and think:'The river which runs through the Grand Canyon is the Colorado river so the GC is situated in Colorado...'

"Why not have a function that lets users report incorrect categorizations. That would make many users correct their own mistakes and it would help you find imagesthat someone thinks are incorrectly categorized."

Many of us already suggested some changes, and they're working on it. But it's not as easy as it seems ;) As for the function you suggest, it actually exists. Next to each pic you can click on 'Report Problem', then mark 'Location', and give a description of the change(s) to be made.

"It would also be good to have multiple categorizations, such as allowing a picture to be from GC in a national park at the same time as it is in GC, AZ. I know it is not for you to make those changes, but you may have more to say about such things than the average user."

I already asked Adam what to do with National Parks, beaches, canyons, and other kinds of 'sites'. He said the following: "As for cities, it doesn't have to be a city. Something like a NP isfine. A beach can go either way, if it's really popular it can beseparate, otherwise it can be placed in the city/town where it islocated. If the place has only one city etc, it might be better toplace it separately to make it easier to browse."
So I personally think in this case only 'Grand Canyon National Park' should exist, as it's the most complete name between 'Grand Canyon' and 'Grand Canyon National Park'.

Hope this helps! I will look for multiple 'Grand Canyon-locations' (wrong spelling/wrong state/...) and try to fix the problem.

Kind regards,
ThomasL

ktanska 05-19-2008 01:05 PM

Featured locations: Namibia
 
Thanks for sorting out Gibraltar. Now to a more tricky country:

Featured destinations:

Correct:
Hardap >> Dead Vlei

Merge to above:
Hardap >> Deadvlei
Hardap >> Deathvlei
Hardap >> sou
Karas >> Deadvlei
Karas >> Sesriem
Omaheke >> Dead vlei

Correct:
Hardap >> Sossusvlei

Merge to above:
Hardap >> sossuslvei
Hardap >> Sossuvlei
Hardap >> Sousseslvlei
Hardap >> Soussesvlei
Hardap >> Soussousvlei
Hardap >> Soussuvlei
Hardap >> Seisrim
Erongo >> Sossusvlei
Khomas >> Sesriem
Khomas >> Sossuvlei
Khomas >> sousslevlei
Kunene >> Sossusvlei
Ohangwena >> Sossusvlei
Oshana >> Sesriem

Correct:
Erongo >> Swakopmund

Merge to above:
Erongo >> Swakopmud
Hardap >> Swakopmund
Karas >> Swakopmund
Omaheke >> Swakopmund
caprivi >> swakopmund
Kunene >> Swakopmund
Kunene >> Swakobmund

Correct:
Erongo >> Walvis Bay

Merge to above:
Erongo >> Walvis-Bay
Karas >> Walvis Bay
Ohangwena >> Walvis Bay
Oshikoto >> Walvis BAY

Correct:
Khomas >> Windhoek

Merge to above:
Ohangwena >> windhoek

Then the question of Etosha National Park. Etosha is so big that it actually spans three regions: Omusati, Oshana and Oshikoto. My suggestion is to keep
Oshana >> Etosha National Park and merge Oshana >> Etosha and Oshana >> Etosha N.P to it.
Most of the public routes,campsites and the Etosha Pan are however within the region of Oshikoto.
So I suggest renaming Oshikoto >> Etosha to Oshikoto >> Etosha National Park.
And merge these to it:
Otjozondjupa >> Etosha
Erongo >> Etosha
Kunene >> Etosha
Kunene >> Etosha National Park
Okavango >> Etosha
Otjozondjupa >> Etosha National Park
Oshikoto >> Etosha NP
Oshikoto >> Etosha Pan

I might get back to this mess later.

ThomasL 05-19-2008 02:37 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Thanks a lot Kari!

I checked what you asked for and made the changes. You were right about the Etosha National Park, so I followed your suggestions.

Kind regards,
ThomasL

PS: Don't hesisate to ask me for other changes to be made (however I'll be quite busy with university the following weeks! :P)

ktanska 05-29-2008 10:18 AM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Thanks!
No I found time for more location sorting in Namibia:

Caprivi >> Bagani should be Okavango >> Bagani
Caprivi >> Caprivi -> Caprivi >> Unknown
Caprivi >> Fish river canyon -> Karas >> Fish River Canyon
Caprivi >> ludritz -> Karas >> Luderitz

Kunene >> Epupa -> Kunene >> Epupa falls
Kunene >> Keetmanshoop -> Karas >> Keetmanshoop
Kunene >> Near Opowo -> Kunene >> Opuwo
Kunene >> Opuwu -> Kunene >> Opuwo

Ohangwena >> Keetmanshoop -> Karas >> Keetmanshoop
Ohangwena >> Pouros -> Kunene >> Pouros
Ohangwena >> Sceleton coast -> Kunene >> Sceleton coast

Okavango >> Khorixas -> Kunene >> Khorixas
Okavango >> Sceleton Coast -> Kunene >> Sceleton coast

Omusati >> Luderitz -> Karas >> Luderitz
Omusati >> namib-naukluft -> Karas >> Namib-Naukluft
(could be also Erongo or Hardap as Namib-Naukluft spans three regions)

Oshikoto >> Luderitz -> Karas >> Luderitz
Oshikoto >> Otjiwarongo -> Otjozondjupa >> Otjiwarongo

Erongo >> Aus -> Karas >> Aus
Erongo >> Damaraland -> Kunene >> Damaraland
Erongo >> Fish river canyon -> Karas >> Fish River Canyon
Erongo >> fish river canyon -> Karas >> Fish River Canyon
Erongo >> Halali -> Oshikoto >> Etosha National Park
Erongo >> Khorixas -> Kunene >> Khorixas
Erongo >> Luderitz -> Karas >> Luderitz
Erongo >> Sesrim -> Hardap >> Sesriem
Erongo >> Solitaire -> Khomas >> Solitaire

Hardap >> Cape Cross Seal Reserve -> Erongo >> Cape Cross Seal Reserve
Hardap >> Fish river canyon -> Karas >> Fish River Canyon
Hardap >> Hardap -> Hardap >> Unknown
Hardap >> High above -> Hardap >> Unknown
Hardap >> Inconnu -> Hardap >> Unknown
Hardap >> Keetmanshoop -> Karas >> Keetmanshoop
Hardap >> Kolmanskop -> Karas >> Kolmanskop
Hardap >> Ludritz -> Karas >> Luderitz
Hardap >> namib desert -> Hardap >> Unknown
Hardap >> Quiver Tree Forest -> Karas >> Quiver Tree Forest
Hardap >> Swa -> Erongo >> Swakopmund
Hardap >> Tsumeb -> Oshikoto >> Tsumeb

Karas >> Auas -> Khomas >> Auas
Karas >> Bush -> Karas >> Unknown
Karas >> Fish River -> Fish River Canyon
Karas >> Solitaire -> Khomas >> Solitaire

Khomas >> Brandberg Massif -> Erongo >> Brandberg Massif
Khomas >> Solitair -> Khomas >> Solitaire
Khomas >> Windhuk -> Knomas >> Windhoek

ThomasL 06-04-2008 12:58 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Thanks again for letting me know. I made the changes you suggested. I'm sorry if it took some time, I'm just quite busy with university for the moment :P

Kind regards,
ThomasL

ktanska 06-05-2008 11:43 AM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Thanks Thomas,
Namibia gallery is now much more reliable what comes to regional information.
I may some day go through individual pictures too and suggest corrections where location is recognizable from the picture or text.
Kari

ThomasL 06-05-2008 01:34 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Your welcome!

For corrections regarding individual pictures, please ask Adam. As a location moderator I can rename, merge and move cities (in the same country), but I'm not able to move individual pictures to different locations.

Thomas

lotis 06-05-2008 11:30 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Hi Thomas,
Good initiative...I'll help you with New Brunswick (North America, Canada, Atlantic, NB...)

Baie de Fundy and Bay of Fundy should be merged. In the english site, it should be Bay of Fundy and in the french site, it should be Baie de Fundy. It is not actually a city but it's the best I can give you for now...

Camobello Island >> Campobello Island
Campbelton >> Campbellton
dalhousie >> Dalhousie

Grand Manan should be merged with Grand Manan Island under the name Grand Manan Island. Again, it's the best I can do for now.

Grande Anse >> Grande-Anse
Hopewell >> Hopewell Cape
petite la meque >> Petite-Lamèque
petite lameque >> Petite-Lamèque
petite-lameque >> Petite-Lamèque
Pointe Verte >> Pointe-Verte
Prince Edward Island >> Cape Jourimain
Saint Martins >> St. Martins
ST-JACQUES >> Saint-Jacques
St. Andre >> Saint-André

That's it for now. If you can move photos I could help you relocate pretty much all the unknown's...
As for the accents, I guess you can leave them out on the english site. If you have questions, don't hesitate.

Cheers.
Louis

lotis 06-05-2008 11:58 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Actually I remembered that I suggested changes in a thread 2 years ago, but some of them were never made...
Here is the URL: http://www.trekearth.com/read.php?f=1&t=278056&m=401712&tt=flat

You have the real location of about a dozen unknown in New Brunswick...
Here they are again...

Ha Ha cemetery should be under Harvey.
campobello lighthouse should be under Campobello Island
Untitled should be under Cape Jourimain
CAMPO.... should be under Campobello Island
3 petits navires should be under Grand Manan Island
Indissociables should be under Grand Manan Island
Mulholland light should be under Campobello Island
Fog and Dream should be under Grand Manan Island
Blacks Harbour should be under Blacks Harbour
East Quoddy Light should be under Campobello Island
Ile de Grand Manan should be under Grand Manan Island
Grand Manan Island should be under Grand Manan Island
Old Stump: there are more than one places in NB called Lake George that I know of. I don't where to put it. I guess it's up to you Adam. Either Harvey or Lake George, or there is always a third solution...;)
The long and winding road should be under Cape Jourimain
P.E.I should be under Cape Jourimain
Beach: I can't help you here mate...sorry, but there is still that third solution...;)
Crossing over should be under Northumberland Stream which is the name of the stream that seperates NB and PEI, or Cape Jourimain, which is where the bridge starts in NB. Again, up to you Adam.
Morning mists: I can't help you here mate...sorry, but there is still that third solution...;)

And now Nova Scotia...

Annapolis >> Annapolis Royal
Bar Harbour MOVE TO >> Maine (USA)
Cabot Trail >> Cape Breton
Cap Breton >> Cape Breton in english and Cap Breton in french
Cape Brenton >> Cape Breton
Cape D OR >> Cape D'Or
Caribou Beach >> Caribou
Country Side >> Countryside. It's not actually a place, but they can at least be merged..
Cowbay >> Cow Bay
Darthmouth >> Dartmouth
Gloscap >> Glooscap
Halifax-Peggys Cove. doesn't have any photos under it
Horseshoe cove >> Bay of Fundy
Kejimkujik >> Kejimkujik National Park
louisbourg >> Louisbourg
Lunenberg >> Lunenburg
Margaree >> Margaree Valley
Mavilette >> Mavillette
Millcove >> Mill Cove
Montreal >> Peggys Cove
nearby Pictou >> Pictou
Parsboro >> Parrsboro
Peggies Cove, peggy s Cove, Pegy s Cove and Peggys Cove-Hfx. >> Peggys Cove
Portugese Cove >> Portuguese Cove
Sackville >> Lower Sackville
Sambro Harbour, Sambro Head >> Sambro
Scotts Bay >> Scots Bay
Sidney >> Sydney
The oven >> The Ovens

And there you have Nova Scotia

Cheers.
Louis

ThomasL 06-06-2008 12:12 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
Hi Louis, thanks for letting me know! I'll make those changes asap!

Kind regards,
ThomasL

lotis 06-06-2008 09:48 PM

Re: Featured locations: Namibia
 
No problem.
I'll do PEI and NL later when I have time...

By the way, in the Atlantic provinces, you should change:
Newfoundland to Newfoundland and Labrador.

Also, you should ask Adam to let you move individual photos if it is possible because I could help you with at least 60-75% in the Atlantic provinces...I already suggested changes for the unknowns in New Brunswick 2 years ago but the changes were never made...

To me, photos that are not listed are no good because how can we learn from the world if we don't even know where the picture was taken? Listing a photo under a general location is better than under Unknown...I would go as far as saying that the photos listed under Unknown and that don't have a "real" note explaining the shot or the reason for the "unkonwn" location should be deleted...

Anyways...I'll leave at that for now

Thanks Thomas
Louis


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