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Old 09-02-2004, 11:12 PM
Catli Catli is offline
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I haven't been active the last month because we had a big problem with the computer. My husband was doing some adjustments and he lost all our data by mistake!!!! I could not believe it, all our photos in the past two months were gone!!! Pictures of our baby, pics of our vacation, pics for TE...everything! We paid a hefty price to try to recover part of the data and got everything except our photos!!&*%#@ So now I started to go back to my old SLR and 35mm camera which I had been neglecting, at least I'm sure I have some tangible prints which will stay! Anybody out there had similar experience? Any solutions (apart saving periodically, which did not prevent us from losing our last pictures)?
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Old 09-02-2004, 11:19 PM
bodinux bodinux is offline
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Default Re: Digital? Great?

apart saving periodically, NO solution! sorry.

My own solution is to have a usb external disk (40Gb) to which periodically backup all my images. If the disk on my computer crashes or undergoes bad manipulation, it's safe.
If my house burns, it's not safe.
Not having had such a problem, I still prefer digital.

(After some thinking,there is another way : print your prefered shots without waiting)
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Old 09-03-2004, 01:55 AM
robertspotswood robertspotswood is offline
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Well, for starters, keep your husband away from the computer ;^). But the only way to prevent this is regular backups. Yes, I know, easy to say, harder to do. While full system backups are a good idea, XP can't do it, by design. You didn't say what system you are using.

Beyond that, try to keep all data in one place, i.e. all data for everyone goes into this folder, no exceptions. Making sub folders in the data folder (or drive, or partition [my method]) is Ok, but keep it all together. That way if you backup that one folder, you are sure of getting all the data. You don't have to remember to adjust your backup system for a long time. Depending on how much data, CD's, DVD's, or even an external hard drive would be useful.

However, do not use any proprietary backup formats. If it requires special software to do the restore, stay away from it. I've seen clients burned by this when the restore software install disks are lost or ruined and the manufacturer is out of business or charges you up the whazoo (they know you're desperate, never mind the time delay in starting recovery) and the only working copy was on the hard drive that just died.

As an alternative for pictures, you can get prints made of the good ones, and the cost isn't much more than regular one-hour developing where I live (or do it over the internet). Since you only have the best ones made into prints, overall, it can be effectively cheaper than film.

Finally, if you are doing something and accidentally delete some files, STOP USING THE COMPUTER IMMEDIATELY. Turn it off and call in someone who can help. This will greatly increase the chance of recovery. If the hard drive is making funny noises, stop using it immediately too.
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Old 09-03-2004, 10:45 AM
Aegean Aegean is offline
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It'a a very easy and practical way to have all the time your photos safe...After each photographing session before any manipulation of the photos in PS burn the files from your camera memeory card to a CD or a DVD. Having your master captures there (RAW or JPGs depends on the camera) is like having your negatives from your film SLR. Even if your PC crash or what ever the CDs or DVDs will be there with all your photos safe and ready to be used again...
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:49 AM
CVTJan CVTJan is offline
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In addition to George's hint I also bring the backup CD's / DVD's to my parents house. One never knows...

Yours, Jan
And I feel sorry for you / we put so much into the pictures we take, what a pain to lose them :(
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Old 09-12-2004, 08:08 AM
seneca77 seneca77 is offline
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After you've burned your photos to a CD, it's a good idea to keep the CD itself in a dark area. Tests have shown that the dyes in CDs, both CD-Rs and CD-RWs, degrade over time. Some tests showed that in as little as two years, a CD exposed to light had 10% of its files corrupted. Many professional photographers who back up to CDs now back up the CDs every year or two so there's little chance of the CD degrading over time.
Another issue is how long the actual data storage method will last before it's obsolete? When CDs first came out, they were touted as being able to last indefinitely, and while - if handled correctly - a CD could last well into the future, would the technology to read the CD be around in 50 or 100 years? Or even 20 years? If you have data stored on a 5-1/4" floppy disk from the 1980s, it's doubtful you could find a computer today to access the information.
Not to sound doom and gloom, but if you're not printing your pictures on archival paper with probably a dye-sublimation printing process, you will need to keep abreast of new data storage technology as it gets into the mainstream, and transfer your photos to each new generation of media.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:54 PM
Niteshiftr Niteshiftr is offline
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The best way for me to backup all my photos I have found is by sending them to an online photo server. Just take that few minutes to upload them & then it wont matter if youre pics are lost or even anything like youre house burned down, youre pics are safe online. A good site for this is Image Shack.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:47 PM
markogts markogts is offline
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Default i agree.

This is my line of work. On the CD I have all the images, and I never allow myself to delete the memory card until the images on it are not only on the HD, but on a CD. The HD is the periodically deleted.

Moreover, I store the original pictures as they come from the camera, keeping the modified ones with different names in different folders. I store on CD almost all the photos, except for those completely wrong/false shots or so. On a CD I store about 700 pictures: for 1 , is really a cheap way to avoid nightmares :-)

Finally, the very best shots are periodically printed in my favourite shop.
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Old 09-03-2004, 05:55 PM
mdchachi mdchachi is offline
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Sorry to hear about your loss. I know how horrifying that must have been.

Clearly the solution is to back up your photos regularly. If you want to be relatively safe, then right after you take them, copy them to your computer and, at the same time, copy them to a CD or DVD as well. This way you always have at least two copies. For added safety, make extra copies of the CD/DVDs and store them at a relative or friend's house. Keeping your photos on a single hard-drive is not a very good idea, as you found out. In addition to user error, hard drives do fail occasionally.
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Old 09-04-2004, 05:45 AM
Catli Catli is offline
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Thanks to you all for your suggestions and sympathy. WE'll try to discipline ourselves and try to follow your advice as much as possible. Copying on a CD everytime I copy to the computer might take a lot of CDS for not too many photos... I'm not sure about that. One thing I'm happy I did is send the best pictures to family and friends who can now send us back those photos. The only thing is the resolution was modified for web, but at least I get to see the pictures. I'm afraid Robert that your suggestion about keeping my husband away from the computer cannot work since I myself know next to nothing about computers and without him I would be in big trouble! I think he's not that bad. :o)
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