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dom_inik_m 10-03-2005 04:27 PM

Re: As I expressed earlier...
AntiExcessiveAndPointlessRegulations, in fact!
Thank you, Peter... ;-)

MKING 10-03-2005 05:56 PM

Re: As I expressed earlier...
Didn't catch an anti-US vibe at all unless you were inferring the reports of photographers in the US being frustrated by police incursions into their business. As far as I have read and heard this isn't a strictly US phenomenon but is happening in many places (including Australia, and more likely to here when anti-terror laws come into play in 2006).

MKING 10-03-2005 06:04 PM

Re: As I expressed earlier...
Also, to draw upon something mentioned by John Urry;

You go to these places because it's part of a 'collective' tourist 'gaze'-- there is an established history of people visiting these icons/sites and it has built up a whole process of collective memories-- what others tell you, what others show you, what you read on the internet, in books etc. You also go because it's the 'in' place to be-- the place to be seen and supposedly, the place to best experience the location you've gone to. I sometimes stop myself in shock when I realise that I've seen something or visited somewhere and have no idea WHAT I've just seen or its significance even though I've witnessed it in person.

Sadly, the commercialisation and the spread of everyone else's recollections and romaticisms about any given popular location colours your own perception of the place, sometimes to the extent that your own experience is, largely, that of everyone elses. For example, the Mona Lisa-- both the Louvre and the crowds of tourists are making it difficult to form your own opinion or idea about the painting by simply looking at it in the flesh. You then fall back on existing material about it.

Or, eg, my mother said about the Roman Forum how disappointing it was to see in the flesh-- just rubble, hot sun and tourists. But it was incredible when she later saw the 3D simulations of what it might have looked like 2000 years ago.

joseelias 10-03-2005 06:13 PM

Re: Leave your cameras at home!
I’ll start my message with two small stories:

Some years ago, right after the opening of the Lisbon Oceanarium during World Exhibition - Expo 98 , despite all the messages warning people not to fire the flash as they could put in danger the fishes, stupid people (there’s no other name for them) did not respect it. Of course, with thousands of visitors flashing around the main tank, and despite the workers efforts, it could only produce bad results. And the results were that in several occasions, the sharks got enraged with the flashes and attacked other fishes around them. As a consequence some rare species were eaten by the sharks which would never happen in a normal situation. After the flash is fired nothing can be done, and sometimes the consequences are impossible to revert.

The second story happened to me, also in the Oceanarium. Knowing that the flash couldn’t be used I turned it off. Still, when photographing some very, very sensible sea creatures (in fact they have a guard permanently by the side of the aquarium) I was warned by the guard that I had to turn of my Auto-Focus Light Assistant immediately because it also was dangerous to them (no warning about this anywhere). I preferred that it was totally forbidden to photograph them than to make me put those creatures in danger! Now, how many people don’t even have the care to turn of the flashes?! More, how many even know how to control the AF-Assistant Light? Again, nothing can be done after being fired.

Personally I also find reasonable that photographing with flash to be forbidden in situations where the flash may produce permanent damage in unique or rare items.

And if people are too ignorant or too stupid to understand this (“one flash won’t make difference…”), or unable to control the cameras, making that the amount of flashes fired destructive of the richness of our common culture, than forbid all photographs in the areas where they can make such damage.

What worries me, and should worry all of us, is the fact that it’s forbidden to take photos inside train and subway stations as well in many other places (and still growing), without any explanation. No security man was able to give me ANY reason except that it’s forbidden and only with authorization it’s allowed…

This worries me because it sounds like they are trying to hide severe security flaws, bad service to their costumers and other cases like this. And the excuse that it’s a security against terrorism as I’ve heard later is a crap as a terrorist can get with a big easy these information. Just buy a 2mp image-phone also with video mode and no one will bother you for being handling it…

These are the real cases which we should be worried about, and not to be able to take a photo of a painting that any postcard shows with better quality and detail (not to mention books). If people want a souvenir to brag about to their friends, just buy a postcard and keep the entrance ticket…

baudinm 11-07-2005 06:45 PM

Re: tripods forbidden in Paris streets
I don't have the answer to your question, but you can have a look at my post "No tripod shots in Paris ?" in the "General" forum section. My post is not directly linked to the present thread, but it is not far.

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